Andrew: Yeah, which I love that verse, because if you ask people sometimes, Why did Jesus come to earth? theres all kinds of things they might say, some true and some not so much, but I love that: He comes to destroy the works of the devil. Im like: the rope thing is awesome! The primary focus in this essay will be on The most significant biblical passage for the fallen angels tradition . Stephen: Maybe it was once used to cover something. Stephen: Were going to talk about this more in the second half, but Azazel, this spirit, is seen as sort of the source of sin and corruption that has come into the camp, and so its basically being sent back to it. (Ok, technically the Orthodox Church denies penal substitutionary atonement while affirming substitutionary atonement, but most people, including well-meaning Orthodox who deny substitution completely, are not familiar with this distinction.) People have atonement theories. Fr. Dr. Stephen De Young is Pastor of Archangel Gabriel Orthodox Church in Lafayette, Louisiana. Fr. Fr. but please ask the guy who feels the need to constantly (some episodes he speaks more than De Young!) The Very Rev. Well, before we go to break, we actually do have a call, and this is our friend, Fr. A dissertation submitted to the faculty of the School of Graduate Studies, Hebrew Union College - Jewish Institute of Religion (2009). The Bible in a Year (with Fr. So the goat for Yahweh has to be perfect, blameless, without blemish, pure, no broken bones. Academia.edu no longer supports Internet Explorer. Stephen: Yeah, I hope youve got a pigeon, a lamb, and a young ox.. This element of the eschatological Day of Atonement, that Azazel is finally defeatedits not just sending him back his sin while he continues to control the rest of the world out there, but hes done away with and disposed ofis, as we said Hebrews is going to be peppered all the way through here. Fr. But where did this word come from? Its not like magic wood that they went and found in the enchanted forest. Okay, all right, well then, well dip back into Hebrews which references all of this. Stephen De Young finishes his discussion about Romans Chapter 11. . Andrew: Yes, maybe well do that in a future episode. And in a ritual, if something is not ritualized, when you have a detailed ritual, and it says, Before the ritual, wash your hands, for example, and it doesnt say, Heres the prayer when you wash your hands, that means the hand-washing isnt ritualized, and it means it doesnt mean anything. Okay, sono, its good. This isnt just kind of Christians coming up with allegorical ways to read the Old Testament, to read Jesus into it. Is it because its being offered to God? I had always assumed that the doctrine of the Blessed Trinity took time to develop, and that the apostles wouldnt have been explicit Trinitarians. Fr. Fr. So the first question I mean, Ill start by saying I havent read the book of Leviticus, so excuse my ignorance on this, but I have read actually, after hearing the last podcast you guys did, I was doing a little bit of reading, and I read that the priest would lay hands on both goats, like on the goat for Yahweh as well as that Is that true, or would they not lay hands on the goat for Yahweh? The killing of this goat is not ritualized in any way. From moment to moment, day to day, we come to experience these realities ever more fully. Andrew Stephen Damick: Thank you, Voice of Steve! Im going to give you this job, so look this up, Richard. Stephen: Right, that was later. Fr. ), Ancient Tales of Giants from Qurman and Turfan: Contexts, Traditions, and Influences (Tbingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2016), The Landscape of Memory: Giants and the Conquest of Canaan. They would all say: the gospel of John and the epistle. We understand theres kind of like a pipeline from there to here. Stephen: Yeah Heres where I have to say thats a mis-translation. Im going to describe this. So cool! Andrew: Awesome. Other sacrificial rituals where you see the laying-on of hands, thats to designate the animal as a sacrifice. Copyright 2005-2023 Ancient Faith Ministries, Inc.All Rights Reserved. Fr. Thank you very much for listening, everybody. And so then, logically enough, when you find this in its noun formthese same roots are used for both verbs and nouns and also for adjectiveswhen its a noun it means a cover or a covering. Since I have always wanted to understand ancient texts through the lens of their original context, I have taken a keen interest in Judaism. Andrew: [Laughter] Yeah, actually we looked this up and we could find no link, but who knows? [Laughter] I dont know. Stephen De Young, I felt I had finally come home. Stephen: We dont want any. What does it mean? So thats what were going to do now. Fr. Andrew: Yeah Which thats not in there, right? Andrew: Now everyones going to want to read it! So why isnt this more widely understood? Fr. Not only is that a bizarre assumption, that theres no reason to believe is trueeven if it was true, theres no reasons to believe that we as humans could understand how it works from Gods sidebut the dangerous thing is, again, not just being wrong, but how this affects our life in Christ. Fr. Luke uses the Day of Atonement imagery to describe Christ as being the goat that is sent to Yahweh. What do we need this for? Stephen De Young begins the discussion of Revelation, Chapter 12. What do you do with it? It doesnt say that it was fulfilled by Jesus absorbing their diseases and becoming sick, or absorbing their demons and becoming possessed himself; he doesnt take it on himself in that way. Fr. These studies were recorded live and include questions from his audience. Stephen: 1 Maccabees talks about the Battle of Emmaus. And so thats one significant element of this eschatological Day of Atonement, and this is the one thats particularly emphasizedits all in Hebrewsbut this is particularly emphasized in the Johannine literature. Fr. The Priest Shall Make Atonement - The Lord of Spirits - Ancient Faith Two Orthodox priests, Fr. Fr. Fr. Stephen: Actually, it was sprinkled with the finger, so the high priest would have a bowl in which the blood was collected, and he smears it with his finger on pretty much everything but the ark. And the rest of the show will be explaining that joke. Fr. Stephen: Right, but what happens is, in sort of the symbolic mindhi, Jonathanof the Jewish people, sheep and lambs become associated with Passover. Andrew: Yeah, theres this veiling that happens. Fr. Stephen: Right. Stephen: Right, so as I mentioned, all of our earliest sort of interpreters within the Jewish world who talk about Azazel have him as this being, this actual demonic being, and the most prominent places where hes discussed in terms of what Second Temple literature are focusing on are 1 Enoch, whats called 2 Enoch or Slavonic Enoch, and the Apocalypse of Abraham. The answer, according to Fr. Fr. [Laughter] Go back where you came from. The fact that some of the most exciting work done in the Second Temple context to the New Testament is being undertaken by non-orthodox scholars like N.T. Fr. Fr. The modern world does not acknowledge but is nevertheless haunted by spirits - angels, demons and saints. Fr. Stephen: Right, and this goat is so unclean, by the way, that the goat would be led out by a designated person and tied to a bush or a shrub out in the wilderness, and the person who did that was rendered unclean by it, from just like being around that goat, the sin-goat. Fr. He says they put a reed in his hand; its the exact same word for reed. And then they took the reed from him and struck him with it. Whats the deal with this super-big day of offering? Ive seen that myself. They are first mentioned in Genesis chapter 6 as the progeny of the sons of God and the daughters of men. Although the psychological characteristics of the Nephilim are not specifically described in the Bible, they are pictured in the Second Temple writings as being very belligerent, sexually aggressive, and prone to conflict. Stephen De Young concludes Revelation, Chapter 9. Theres a text variant there as to whether it says monon or monn. Oh, man, whats happening here? [Laughter] I just need to read this word. Fr. What are the actual, original words? Fr. Fr. So, the reason why this battle is so important is because the Temple had been desecrated by Antiochus Epiphanesit wasnt Antiochus, was it? Maybe Fr. Fr. Fr. Amen. Which is kind of a weird way to end the gospel. I appreciate it. We appreciate hearing from you. Its not Yeah. So, actually, there is really important theology and teaching and doctrine thats in these three letters. And you know, when an apostle interprets the Old Testament for you? Fr. Fr. Stephen: In any way. Now the thing that has been done in part is now being done totally in full. This is going to be the Person who does this eschatological Day of Atonement. Stephen has blogged about previously here as well. Fr. So the first thing the high priest has to do is he has to, in order to prepare to enter the space, offer a whole ton of incensenot a little, not one scoop. The Whole Counsel of God on Apple Podcasts Stephen: The high priest would place his hands on the goat, on its head, to designate it for this purpose, and he would What is says is he would recite the sins of Israel. Follow Stephen De Young and explore their bibliography from Amazon.com's Stephen De Young Author Page. Andrew: Yeah, which were actually about to show you how its the opposite. But were going to talk about the goat for Yahweh first. Awesome. Fr. I hear you. Stephen: I love it when a plan comes together. How Fr. Stephen De Young's book, "The Religion of the Apostles This isnt just an intellectual maneuver; this is something we can experience and participate in in real time, and thats what Lent and Holy Week and Pascha are going to be all about. Stephen: Right, because if he saw him directly, hed die. Fr. Andrew: Thats interesting, which is funny, because you wouldnt think of Like, at what point do we see Cain teaching something? Critical Review of Fr. Stephen De Young's "Here There Be Giants" Fr. Facebook They werent like that. Fr. The Bible refers to people who are (generically) tall, (generically) very tall, or (generically) of great stature. Fr. Stephen: That would be like an inception; yeah, that might be good. Fr. It was dedicated with blood; now its purified again and made holy again with blood. Stephen: Yeah, you dont get much worse than that. Acts, the book of Acts: youve got the coming of the Holy Spirit, filling the creation, on the day of Pentecost, and the day of Pentecost, its the feast of the giving of the Law, but isnt there also a consecration of the Temple associated with that as well, or am I mixing stuff up? Andrew Stephen Damick in Emmaus, Pennsylvania, and joining me tonight is my co-host, Fr. And this is very important, because, in our modern era, a lot of people will take these descriptions of what happens at Christs death, and the hymns about them that were going to sing in Holy Week in a few weeks, and label them as anti-Semitic.
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